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Erik Eckholm, New York Times, March 20, 2006

BALTIMORE — Black men in the United States face a far more dire situation than is portrayed by common employment and education statistics, a flurry of new scholarly studies warn, and it has worsened in recent years even as an economic boom and a welfare overhaul have brought gains to black women and other groups.

Focusing more closely than ever on the life patterns of young black men, the new studies, by experts at Columbia, Princeton, Harvard and other institutions, show that the huge pool of poorly educated black men are becoming ever more disconnected from the mainstream society, and to a far greater degree than comparable white or Hispanic men.

Especially in the country’s inner cities, the studies show, finishing high school is the exception, legal work is scarcer than ever and prison is almost routine, with incarceration rates climbing for blacks even as urban crime rates have declined.

Although the problems afflicting poor black men have been known for decades, the new data paint a more extensive and sobering picture of the challenges they face.

“There’s something very different happening with young black men, and it’s something we can no longer ignore,” said Ronald B. Mincy, professor of social work at Columbia University and editor of “Black Males Left Behind” (Urban Institute Press, 2006).

“Over the last two decades, the economy did great,” Mr. Mincy said, “and low-skilled women, helped by public policy, latched onto it. But young black men were falling farther back.”

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The share of young black men without jobs has climbed relentlessly, with only a slight pause during the economic peak of the late 1990’s. In 2000, 65 percent of black male high school dropouts in their 20’s were jobless — that is, unable to find work, not seeking it or incarcerated. By 2004, the share had grown to 72 percent, compared with 34 percent of white and 19 percent of Hispanic dropouts. Even when high school graduates were included, half of black men in their 20’s were jobless in 2004, up from 46 percent in 2000.

Incarceration rates climbed in the 1990’s and reached historic highs in the past few years. In 1995, 16 percent of black men in their 20’s who did not attend college were in jail or prison; by 2004, 21 percent were incarcerated. By their mid-30’s, 6 in 10 black men who had dropped out of school had spent time in prison.

In the inner cities, more than half of all black men do not finish high school.

None of the litany of problems that young black men face was news to a group of men from the airless neighborhoods of Baltimore who recently described their experiences.

One of them, Curtis E. Brannon, told a story so commonplace it hardly bears notice here. He quit school in 10th grade to sell drugs, fathered four children with three mothers, and spent several stretches in jail for drug possession, parole violations and other crimes.

“I was with the street life, but now I feel like I’ve got to get myself together,” Mr. Brannon said recently in the row-house flat he shares with his girlfriend and four children. “You get tired of incarceration.”

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Closer studies reveal that in inner cities across the country, more than half of all black men still do not finish high school, said Gary Orfield, an education expert at Harvard and editor of “Dropouts in America” (Harvard Education Press, 2004).

“We’re pumping out boys with no honest alternative,” Mr. Orfield said in an interview, “and of course their neighborhoods offer many other alternatives.”

Dropout rates for Hispanic youths are as bad or worse but are not associated with nearly as much unemployment or crime, the data show.

With the shift from factory jobs, unskilled workers of all races have lost ground, but none more so than blacks. By 2004, 50 percent of black men in their 20’s who lacked a college education were jobless, as were 72 percent of high school dropouts, according to data compiled by Bruce Western, a sociologist at Princeton and author of the forthcoming book “Punishment and Inequality in America” (Russell Sage Press). These are more than double the rates for white and Hispanic men.

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Racism! What more proof do we need? Anyone recall Bill Cosby, the well-known Black TV personality? He commented on this problem placing the blame for Black failure on their unwillngness to apply themselves, to learn. That ‘book learning’ what acting White. We all know how his own people criticized him for airing dirty linens in public — or something to that effect.

Visit any typical public school in city with a heavy black population. Then ask the teachers to comment on the behavior of their Black students. It’s an eye-opener.

Posted by Fed Up at 5:14 PM on March 20

The only people for whom this is a shock are folks whose perception of African males comes through the popular media.

If the only source of ‘data’ is TV, magazines, music, one would be led to think that this protected group is filled with:
1) Manly males who can’t be resisted by any kind of women,

2) Highly intelligent guys who’ve earned many spots in running this governement, society, and economy, and

3) Indispensable fellows who are paragons of virtue, morality, and discipline.

4) Awesome fathers, loyal husbands, and johnny-on-the-spot employees.

Of course it’s those mean, klutzy, stupid White men who keep trying to take the African man’s rightful spot as paternal leaders of this great, diverse nation.

Posted by Dex at 5:28 PM on March 20

What about individual responsibility?

Columbia, Princeton, and Harvard should stop this silliness. These institutions lack the backbone to state the obvious, and they should stop wasting time and money on these phony studies in search of false cures.

The article fails to address the most obvious cause for their plight — lack of responsibility. True, some are mentally ill. But many more are just plain irresponsible.

Posted by at 5:46 PM on March 20

Choice not chance determines one’s destiny. There are dozens of studies over the decades that show that 50% of black males have an I.Q of 85 or lower. That’s one helluva handicap to making logical choices, regardless of skin color. Black females have similar low I.Q.’s but have better academic and employment records. So what’s the difference? Could it be testosterone? Black males have significantly higher testosterone levels than white males. Do the testosterone drives of dominance, turf control and procreation so dominate their thoughts and actions that their is litle concern for long range planning. Who knows?

Posted by at 6:09 PM on March 20

“There’s something very different happening with young black men, and it’s something we can no longer ignore,” said Ronald B. Mincy, professor of social work at Columbia University and editor of “Black Males Left Behind” (Urban Institute Press, 2006).
Attitude & work ethic comes to mind

Posted by pgh at 6:14 PM on March 20

Low intelligence and lack of personal intiative are not attributes for success in todays economy. What would the black unemployment rate be if it were not artificially inflated by affirmitive action and its cousin, government hiring?

Posted by Billy Hendershot at 6:18 PM on March 20

“the new studies, by experts at Columbia, Princeton, Harvard and other institutions, show that the huge pool of poorly educated black men are becoming ever more disconnected from the mainstream society, and to a far greater degree than comparable white or Hispanic men.”

RK: If blacks can’t progress because of poverty, why are poor Hispanics out distancing them, even if they haven’t finished high school?

Of all the races in America, blacks come in last in everything but crime figures and prison population.

Posted by Robert Kelly at 6:18 PM on March 20

Typical MSM commen:

“with incarceration rates climbing for blacks even as urban crime rates have declined.”

NYT reporters seem incapable of understanding that high incarceration rates could be the reason for declining crime rates.

Posted by GB at 6:24 PM on March 20

“Scholars call for intensive new efforts to give children a better start, including support for parents and extra schooling for children.”

It never stops. This reminds me of when I saw Randall Robinson ten years ago seriously claiming that the black community needed a “massive infusion of capital” to get them on the road to progress. Oh, and reparations too.
A few years after that, he said he was sick of the racism here in America and that he was leaving for Africa. The liar never left, of course. Last I heard from him was back during Katrina when he was saying the blacks were eating corpses down in NOLA. Ha. The charlaton sounds just like these “scholars.”

Posted by at 6:39 PM on March 20

“We’re pumping out boys with no honest alternative..”

Shouldn’t he have said : “young unmarried black females are pumping out boys with no honest alternative..”?

Posted by feanor at 6:42 PM on March 20

“By 2004, 50 percent of black men in their 20’s who lacked a college education were jobless, as were 72 percent of high school dropouts.”

These stats sound very close to the “disaffected youths” burning the neighborhoods in France. That would be Algerian and Moroccan black youths. Duh.

Posted by at 6:46 PM on March 20

From the fathers’ viewpoint, support obligations “amount to a tax on earnings,” he said.

That’s exactly what his father said, and his grandfather, and his great…
This is why there’s no point in “fixing the schools.” These people don’t even care about feeding their offspring, much less getting them educated.

Posted by at 6:53 PM on March 20

When the Article said that 50% of black men without a college education don’t have a job it is also hard for white people to get a job without a college education.

I don’t know the percentage, but I do know companies have gotten tax breaks from hiring minorities. So I don’t understand what this author is meaning when it says “black people”, they should say many people. the reason many black males arn’t getting hired is because many think black males without college degrees arn’t serious they think they are nothing but thugs. I’m not saying it’s right to generalize like that, but I think it is what many employers feel. Black males should send different messages across when they wear saggy pants. pull those suckers up and then many people might have more respect for black people.

Posted by woman with a problem at 7:00 PM on March 20

Yeah, like all these studies, they’re a day late and a dollar short. We’ve known this for years in the construction industry. We’ve constantly had to readjust our standards so that we can keep the correct %’s of minorities (blacks). Especially in respect to the educational and criminal histories of our perspective minority apprentice candidates.

Now, I’m not big on formal education, but many young black men don’t know basics such as how to read a tape/rule (fractions). We shouldn’t have to be teaching things they should have known in grade school. Anything the least bit abstract, forgettaboutit.

Also, this idea about black women doing better in the society is a mirage at best. If it weren’t for all these idiotic laws requiring their presence in schools, and businesses, I assure you that within six months, the American business and academic spheres would be sans blacks.

As time goes by, it’s becoming harder and harder to maintain this charade that black people are true working people. As one poster keeps saying, “worse is better.” He’s definitely right. The time of reckoning is growing closer every day about the problem of black people in this country.

Posted by Tom Iron at 7:02 PM on March 20

50 percent of Black men in thier 20’s that lack a college education are jobless. This sounds very bad but the truth is much worse. If companies were not forced to hire Blacks and the government didn’t pick up many of the half-way educated one’s the figures would probably be 80 percent over all unemployment. Who really wants to hire a black. Only those that are trying to appear to be racially color blind. Any job that can be filled by a black man or woman can be filled with someone of another race with less overall problems. Blacks have made themselves a liability rather than an asset. Unforturately many whites in rural areas have taken the same path with drugs and welfare. The future does not look good with a large segment of the population unemployable because of drug use, criminal tendencies and lack of skills or education.

Posted by at 7:12 PM on March 20

They have high self-esteems though!

Posted by at 7:35 PM on March 20

This isn’t news to anyone with common sense and their ear to the ground.

Despite pumping billions into welfare and the education system, despite much chest beating by ‘magical negroes’ in popular TV and sports, and despite the insane cult of diversity…black males still fail.

Of course whitey will be blamed for it all. But the real problem is their willful disconnect from ‘mainstream society’ and not wanting to have anything to do with something ‘white’ (being educated, speaking well, working hard etc.)

Are the liberals hands falling off from all the wringing yet?

Posted by machinist at 7:43 PM on March 20

Thank black leadership for helping make mass immigration possible. Without their support employers wouldn’t have had the choice of sub-minimum wage illegals workers versus blacks. Of course, give Ronnie Reagan some credit for looking the other way when the companies used illegals to break unions.

Posted by Mark at 7:45 PM on March 20

The Democrat Party has railroaded blacks into urban areas with the promise of everything. This was done to create a relationship where blacks would always have to vote Democrat. In effect, America’s urban cities have become black reservations. The goal of the chiefs who run these reservations is to keep the people in the reservation as voters. The entire education system of urban America is now dedicated to failure because failure now gets funding. In America, failure gets rewarded and accomplishment gets rejected. Now the suburban white lands have to compete for the limited funding and they are now dedicated to failure so the white school district can compete for the funding rewards of failure. For decades whites have been trying to warn the nation about this mistake and were ignored. Recently a few black leaders like Bill Cosby are warning the black nation but are being shouted down.

As the deterioration of the government education system continues, America will become more like Haiti or some other forth world nation. We are already finding it difficult to compete with third world nations like India and China. Immigration is bringing in vast numbers of people who are incapable of being assimilated into American society or who refuse assimilation. Soon America will face what the USSR faced, a complete collapse and fragmentation of the nation. Russia is now a small shrinking insignificant nation of 140 million.

New Orleans is an example of the Black Reservation where the black voters were driven out by Katrina and will not return. This will give whites and the small black middle class political power to make change. America needs more Katrinas.

Posted by The Soviet Republic of New Jersey at 7:56 PM on March 20

From article:

In 2000, 65 percent of black male high school dropouts in their 20’s were jobless — that is, unable to find work, not seeking it or incarcerated. By 2004, the share had grown to 72 percent, compared with 34 percent of white and 19 percent of Hispanic dropouts.


Comment:

Notice how the report does not seem to mention anything about what the blacks’ OWN responsiblity for this situation.


What is interesting is the Hispanic jobless rate is lower than the whites.

My conjecture:

The Hispanics…

1. accept their lot in life, and blame nobody

2. are willing to work, REALLY work, not “shuffling around”

3. since they live close to other Hispanics, they “know” where the jobs are.

4. and I’m sure their higher IQ helps.

As for the problems with the blacks: it’s call one’s action BEARING FRUIT. They had all these public assistance, and they wasted it. Now, their reputation has caught up with them, and much, much less people are “blind” to their faults, let alone even tolerate it.

Now they have to compete with Hispanics for the jobs. And those Hispanics are pretty hard workers! People would rather hire someone who speaks a foreign language, than them!

Posted by Technite at 7:57 PM on March 20

Oh, for cryin’ out loud!!! Sane people have predicted this for over thirty years only to be vilified, and the social engineers are suprised?!

Get ready for the cries of “racism” and more handouts. Anybody want to bet?

Remember, when it comes to social programs, our government does the same thing and expects different outcomes. It’s called insanity.

Posted by Proactive at 7:58 PM on March 20

Why don’t they finish high school ? When I retired from teaching 20 years ago, the blacks in my class said they didn’t need an education because they were going to play in the NFL or NBA . Now they want to be pimps or drug dealers. Maybe this comes from not having a father in the home to give them direction. Maybe they know they can fall back on welfare and other government programs if they can’t find work. It’s sad that these people have no other ambition in life other than subsisting from day to day.

Posted by N. J. MOE at 8:14 PM on March 20

“There’s something very different happening with young black men, and it’s something we can no longer ignore…”

Actually, it’s easy to ignore. Blacks are responsible for their own problems and after a half century of preferential treatment, they still can’t make the connection between their situation and their own behavior, so why should I be concerned with what happens to them? Frankly, the only question I have about blacks these days is: Where are they? Then I can go somewhere else.

Posted by White Vampire With No Remorse at 8:15 PM on March 20

Soaring real estate prices; soaring federal budget deficits; soaring inequality. One wonders, exactly, how much more proof we’ll need before the “experts” finally recognize the brontosaurus in the room - 12 million illegal aliens relentlessly driving down the value of labor. Democrats, being the race whores they are, won’t admit it; Republicans, being the tools of the rich, won’t admit it.

Posted by Alan at 8:27 PM on March 20

“Columbia, Princeton, and Harvard should stop this silliness. These institutions lack the backbone to state the obvious”

It seems obvious to me that Columbia, Princeton and Harvard are not engaged in “silliness” but are being run by those who are consciously, actively involved in subjugating the European-American population. They don’t lack “backbone”, they’re evil.

Posted by crowbone at 8:41 PM on March 20

Exactly what the black separatists wanted, a la malcolm x,

the talented tenth needed an army of foot soldiers to incite

to attack the white power structure, re the blame the victim

excuse of dumbing down deviance to the street corner.

these males are undomesticated and unsocialized in neighborhood

and are predators, so wind up in prison. the real problem is the

rampant breeding by the black females with low achiever black

males. the leftist hate group the naacp encourages the incivility

of the blacks, so they can ride the wave of natural resentment

created by the low life blacks being given free ride after free

ride with a lifetime license to steal, a sacred cow to soil

the society.

Posted by chanl at 8:47 PM on March 20

There can be only one of two possibilities:

1) Cruel white people are holding black men back.

2) The races innately have different abilities and temperaments.

Which is it?

Posted by William Hill at 8:48 PM on March 20

There are those who say black underachievement is caused by their environment and that if they were taught to act in a more productive, civilized manner they would behave more like white people. This begs the question: Who taught white people to behave like white people?

Posted by William Hill at 8:57 PM on March 20

I have a question for the old-timers in this group. (I mean those advanced in age, not those who have been posting here for a long time.) Were blacks truly more willing to work years ago? This seems to be a common perception and my experience with older blacks bears it out to some extent. I also find that urban blacks are vastly lazier than those from the country, so there might be a true cultural difference there. I have read that the “urban experience” transformed blacks for the worse, but it isn’t easy to know when to believe anything in the MSM. I realize full well that blacks are genetically disposed to sloth, but there are certainly some cultural factors at play, too.
If anyone knows a book that tells the truth about pre-Brown v. Board of Education black habits, please recommend it to me. I read Nicholas Lehmann’s The Promised Land years ago and would appreciate hearing about some similar books.

In conclusion, I am of the opinion that blacks have truly grown lazier over the last fifty years or so. I ask those of you who were alive to witness things to tell me if I am right.

Posted by Jeff Davis at 8:58 PM on March 20

Dex hit the nail on the head.

Malicious discrimination against white men and wild promotion of black men is the order of the day yet black men are still falling on their faces. This make believe system does not work and MUST eventually be scrapped.

Posted by Martin at 8:59 PM on March 20

The only reason black women do better than black men is affirmative action. Black men fit only 1 affirmative action criterion, race. Black women fit 2 affirmative action criterion, race and gender.

The EEOC and Justice Department recognize 44 affirmative action race/gender catagories. Black women are # 1 in hiring preference.
White men are #44 in hiring preference.

It is no coincidence that a few years after the affirmative action laws were passed, (early 70’s) suddenly every major company that could was relocating overseas to third world countries.

Companies knew that if they remained in the US they would face a never ending series of racial discrimination law suits by the incompetent blacks they would be forced to hire, as well as putting up with the sheer uselessness, foul language, noise, tieing up the phones with personal business and sexual harassemet
blacks alsways bring to the workplace.

Posted by margaret at 9:04 PM on March 20

Paging lawmaker Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas),please stop destroying opportunities for black men by your blatant pandering to illegal immigrants. Drywalling, painting, masonry, janitorial work, all of it was done by blacks at a living wage 20yrs. ago. But Sheila Jackson Lee and other black “leaders”are making sure that won’t happen again.

Posted by at 9:11 PM on March 20

1. We’ve known this for years in the construction industry. We’ve constantly had to readjust our standards so that we can keep the correct %’s of minorities (blacks).

2. Especially in respect to the educational and criminal histories of our perspective minority apprentice candidates.

3. Now, I’m not big on formal education, but many young black men don’t know basics such as how to read a tape/rule (fractions). Anything the least bit abstract, forgettaboutit.

4. Also, this idea about black women doing better in the society is a mirage at best.

5. As time goes by, it’s becoming harder and harder to maintain this charade that black people are true working people.

Posted by Tom Iron at 7:02 PM on March 20

Comment:

1. Wow, some insights from a man who does the hiring!

2 and 3. Are the Hispanics better with respect to mental abilities? How much better?

4. That would be a real disappointment. I have worked with a few black secretaries, office assistants and I thought pretty highly of them. Surely, SOME blacks must be able to do SOME things satisfactorily.

5. I hate to imagine a scenario like that! A charade collapsing suddenly would flood the streets of New York with angry blacks, looking to “get paid”(slang for mugging people).


Posted by Technite at 9:19 PM on March 20

Pride, dignity, self-respect, self-worth, honesty, integrity, and the respect for others have all been replaced with anti-White extremism, paranoia, and the dilusion of entitlement. Although I do, on occasion, meet a Black man that is proud and respectable, the vast majority I encounter are arrogant, worthless, lowlifes that have their hands out and their mouths spewing.

As Cameron (Terrence Howard) said to Anthony (Ludacris) in Crash “You embarrass me and you embarrass yourself.” I would have worded it “You’re a pitiful disgrace for a Black man. You denigrate our people, you shame your family, and you humiliate yourself.”

Posted by GetBackJack at 9:20 PM on March 20

I don’t know…the white power structure MUST be to blame…afet 500 years of this and 400 years of that…you crackers are just too ignorant to see this.

Posted by Sick & Getting Sicker at 9:24 PM on March 20

Were blacks truly more willing to work years ago? This seems to be a common perception and my experience with older blacks bears it out to some extent. I also find that urban blacks are vastly lazier than those from the country, so there might be a true cultural difference there.

Posted by Jeff Davis at 8:58 PM on March 20


I’m not that old, but I think I could sense the change. I think the problems started after the Great Society legislation, 1965.

Back then, the blacks I knew all had jobs. They may be lazy at it, but they went to work everyday. All their friends and relatives work, so they had better have a job too.

Back then, the sentiment of everybody was “I’ll take any job to feed my family”. Nowadays, it’s “Nah, not for me”. Whites act like that too. But it is the blacks who can least afford that attitude.

After the increase of welfare, the “work” then became one of trying to STAY on welfare to get all that “free money”.

MOST REVEALING - the black family stayed together for almost all of the Jim Crow era. No Amren readers will doubt that to keep a family together, and a black family at that, takes HARD WORK.

So the dissolution of the black family (which got really bad when the welfare was really good!) and laziness went hand-in-hand.

Posted by Technite at 9:37 PM on March 20

Any successful black person will always have to live with the fact that our racial group has failed overall to make the best of being “imported” to the greatest country on earth. We have only ourselves to blame for this failure. I will not try to “spin” this article into anything other than what it is. I have said in other postings that in an odd way, any living thing, that chooses one of it’s own kind to mate and have offspring, is racist. It is “black on white” racism in the minds of blacks that is one of the biggest reasons for my race only being “fractionally successful” in America. I have seen first hand, that as soon as a black person trys to study and do well in school, they are said to be “trying to be white”. A big fraction of blacks in America are never going to be successful.

Posted by Black nerd at 9:40 PM on March 20

The problem is that the problem is never correctly diagnosed, since the Elite are constrained to narrow PC orthodoxy. So it is always misdiagnosed as “whitey’s fault”. And the response to that false diagnoses leads to more of the REAL problem: Failure to take self-responsibility for their own problems resulting from their OWN behaviors and ATTITUDES.
The relative success of everyone else, including people facing a lot of REAL obstacles such as language, lack of education in the 3rd world countries they came from, shows what a big LIE all the excuses are put forth by black racists and all the white lefties who shuck and jive for them.

Posted by at 9:57 PM on March 20

Didn’t Bill Cosby warn everyone about this? Yes, he did.

These stats are not surprising in the least. When I read this article, I was barely able to suppress my yawning, and I am not even that tired yet.

I am, however, tired of the whining. Tired of the excuses. Tired of the violence. Tired of the misbehavior.

If Civil War II comes to fruition, many misbehaving blacks will only have themselves to blame. They don’t realize how good they have it, and won’t until the welfare state collapses.

Posted by Old Victorian at 10:00 PM on March 20

I work at a Postal Facility in the Metro NY area. Believe me, blacks, hispanics, and various third-world creatures get preference in hiring, ever over VETERANS!!

I notice the same hiring trend at the Federal, State, and local levels of government. Walk into a town hall or a local

Only government jobs can mask the incompetency of “these people”.

Posted by Vito Danelli at 10:21 PM on March 20

Thank black leadership for helping make mass immigration possible. Without their support employers wouldn’t have had the choice of sub-minimum wage illegals workers versus blacks. Of course, give Ronnie Reagan some credit for looking the other way when the companies used illegals to break unions.

Mark, have you ever wondered that maybe it’s because of black work ethics that these aliens are here in the first place? I don’t like mass immigration anymore than you do but President Fox’s remarks about how illegal aliens take jobs that blacks won’t do is right on the dot. It’s also in line with what President Bush has said many times, only indirectly, Illegal immigrants take jobs that Americans (he means blacks) won’t do.

Posted by Al at 10:23 PM on March 20

I think society is in large part to blame.

1. In the 1960s, welfare should not have been extended to unmarried women and their illegitimate children. Black men became unnecessary as husbands and fathers as black women relied on the state for support instead. Wives domesticate and improve the behaviour of husbands, and fathers discipline and socialize their sons.

2. Mass immigration of Hispanics into the US probably hurts black men the most. They used to do the jobs that Hispanics now do (e.g. janitors in L.A.).

Posted by at 10:37 PM on March 20

So black males (unlike black females) are not even capable of cashing in on affirmative action handouts. Well golly! I guess there’ll be tears on my pillow tonight!

Posted by at 10:41 PM on March 20

Forced integration, and all the force being used to prevent natural segregation, have caused this unnatural distortion. Who pays for it? Small little black boys born to whorish used black girls with unkown multiple “fathers”.

These little boys, innocent of all this, are brought into a fractured, destroyed “family”, slum welfare funded homes, and crack desroyed “parents” all because of the white race.

It is the white race that has forced integration and welfare onto the black family. Back before 1965, the black man and woman
and their children had a chance. They lived in all black areas where there was some social reinforcement by intelligent and educated blacks who lived amongst their own people. This, to a profound degree, ketp many in line.

Young black boys could see successful black men. They could see people with jobs, money and education. They had a chance.

Then came the white man. Oh, no. You must not live amongst your own. You must live with us whites and not have a culture, a community and cohesiveness environment. WE will give your women food and housing. You can have white women. Ok? We do this to show we are not racist. Come, live with us. Have sex with white woman. We, the white man will take care of any little black boys born of your soon-to-be very stupid black girls and women.

And so, the beauty of no responsibility, no down-side and access to white women was to much to ignore. The black man left the black areas in droves, abandoning the women of their race and lived high, pun intended.

And little black boys were now born in Ghettos and slums where before there were no slums, but black homes and areas.

You can thank the Kennedy’s, the Humphries, the McGoverns, the Roosevelts, the Eisenhowers, etc. You can thank the Christians and their “help the poor” bancrupt “philosophy”, and the Jews who wanted to get even, and you can thank all the do-good fools and jerks and clowns who created this mess.

Thank you. Because, you see, NONE of this could have happened without the white race making it so. The blacks could not have achieved any of this destruction without it being FORCED by white “dreamers”, “lovers of gods”, “equality believers”, etc.

We, the white race forced the African to live amongst us and then forced them to destroy themselves with out new religion of “equality”. When we could no longer stomach the idiot religions of our grandparents, we REPLACED it with another idiot religious belief system, the GOD OF EQUALITY, and upon it’s alter we sacrificed, once more, the African race.

Under the GOD of Christianity we brought them here as slaves. Under the new GOD of Equality, we destroyed what was left. Thank you.

Posted by at 10:44 PM on March 20

N. J. Moe: “When I retired from teaching 20 years ago, the blacks in my class said they didn’t need an education because they were going to play in the NFL or NBA . Now they want to be pimps or drug dealers.”

Yet another teacher joins our ranks. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again — the best way for American Renaissance to gain more members is to encourage more liberal whites to teach in inner city schools.

Posted by WR at 11:22 PM on March 20

“Of course it’s those mean, klutzy, stupid White men who keep trying to take the African man’s rightful spot as paternal leaders of this great, diverse nation.

Oh come on Dex, I wouldn’t describe most white men as mean or stupid.

Posted by Truth at 11:37 PM on March 20

“Plight”? When I think of a plight, I think of a pretty maiden on a railroad track, or maybe a toddler stuck in a well.

What does NOT come to mind is a beer-swilling, dope-smoking, bastard-siring, whitey-bashing, violent criminal.

Posted by at 12:32 AM on March 21

Let us see. Unmarried+uneducated+unmotivated+unskilled= lack of success. Suprise #1
Solution. More aid. Result. More of above

More incarcerated=less crime Suprise #2
Solution. More incarceration= Too easy lets spend more.

Acting “white’ and actually learning in school can negatively affect your health in the ghetto. Therefore fewer are willing to learn. Suprise #3

Solution. Incarcerate the bullies. On the other hand locking up the jailbound 60% could be extremely expensive or could it just be considered preventative detention ?

MadMac

Posted by at 12:43 AM on March 21

The so called war on poverty created this mess in our inner cities.By throwing billions of dollars at this problem starting in the 1960’s,the government destroyed any work ethic that existed.These people have depended on the government for everything ever since.Just look at how those Katrina victims expected some majical white person from somewhere in government to come save them.They had no inkling of self help.White liberals meant well with their generous government programs,but they actually created a monster.

Posted by at 1:39 AM on March 21

Technite, the Hispanic rate of unemployment in CA higher than that of whites, and I’d suspect that’s true throughout most of the US. Most illegals also work under the table and collect social services, using their ‘citizen’ anchor babies. They also make sure that mamasita tells the welfare people she isn’t married, even if she is. Don’t build these hut dwellers up too much. They are a bit higher on the pole than blacks, but not much.

Posted by Darkness Studies at 2:06 AM on March 21

Posted by The Soviet Republic of New Jersey: “New Orleans is an example of the Black Reservation where the black voters were driven out by Katrina and will not return. This will give whites and the small black middle class political power to make change. America needs more Katrinas.”


This is a bad thing. Now they have been dispersed throughout the rest of the country. Where the government has failed in their policy of “forced integration”, Katrina has succeeded.

A few more Katrinas and there will be no place left for us to flee.


Posted by Rande at 2:37 AM on March 21

Whose fault is this? I work in hi-tech Silicon Valley, and you see NO blacks in my business. They just don’t have the necessary faculties or intellect to understand the technical concepts of computer science or electrical engineering.

Posted by George Manuelian at 2:58 AM on March 21

Technite at 9:19PM on 03/20

As far as your question about hispanics, yes they’re better. Especially the ones not born here. The more they’ve been taught here, the more difficult it si to teach them. The one thing we’ve noticed about people coming out of our educational system is this thing of self esteme. They feel so good about themselves, they reject everything that might contain cirticism. How does an instrutor teach if he can’t criticize? I have to admit, we find some young white men in the boat as far as this goes. It’s definitely coming from the school system.

As far as blacks being out on the street looking to “get paid,” I said the time of reckoning is coming. That would mean that they are going to finally be made to understand in no uncertain terms that they aren’t going to be allowed to run around like lunatics anymore. Actually, what I have in mind is that they wouldn’t even be in the business district. Their mere presense would be thought curious (which it actually is at this time) and attract police attention.

Black nerd at 9:40 03/20

Your post reminds me of a famous speech by Booke T. Washington at the turn of the 19th and 20th century in front of the Harvard Alumni Ass. That speech was dynamite.

Posted by Tom Iron at 6:17 AM on March 21

Maybe some of these black men would be wise to hook up with white women who will work for them. For instance, my blue-collar pressman from Baltimore tells me that most of the white strippers in the nude dancing joints in the Baltimore area have black boyfriends. As nude dancers can make as much as $ 500 a night, cash, black men who can ingratiate themselves with white strippers can achieve a livelihood.

Posted by Joey at 6:42 AM on March 21

This unemployment problem of blacks is going to get worse and worse due to the growing flood of illegal immigrants coming in from Latin America since these people are taking jobs low skilled blacks might be hired for. So the problem is going to increase in intensity, the percentage of black youth going to prison will go up even more, and we will be sitting on a deadlier and deadlier “time bomb” that will “explode” when a serious economic downturn occurs in the U.S. economy - which could come any month now given the Federal deficit and balance of trade figures that are spiraling out of control.

Posted by Paul Jones at 6:45 AM on March 21

To begin with, blacks have little interest or enthusiasm for academics and the small percentage who are truely interested in learning can’t compete academically with whites.We can’t make black kids want to learn or study.Over the years we’ve emphasized the importance of education and it falls on deaf ears.One past poster said it best “blacks are just wired different”.

Posted by Ron at 7:14 AM on March 21

The problem is blacks were cut out for manual labor menial jobs that the illegal mexicans are now stealing as this was long ago predicted in the mythical assumption that Africans would be pushed ip into the middle class while the peasant illegals would take over the bottom feeder position.
It all looked good on paper but thats not how the real world works and today blacks are faced with nowhere to go as they are incompetent to move up and cant move down because the illegals have taken all their blue collar unskilled jobs.

Posted by jim at 7:40 AM on March 21

Comments:
To Jeff Davis.

You dont need to look for older blacks for a comparision of work ethics with current blacks. Instead simply contrast American Born Blacks with Immigrant Blacks.

I have an immigrant black friend, hes dumb as a post but hes not rude or mean and hes more or less willing to work. From this I draw that though blacks in general have a genetic disadvantage in the cognitive ability domain and will never rise too high, they can still work if not handicapped by their culture.

Comment 2) It is sad, but unavoidable, that any blacks who are willing to work (W.E.B Dubois’s “The talented Tenth” maybe?) have their reputation sullied by the actions of their racial peers.

Posted by Omer at 8:00 AM on March 21

To post of 10:44pm 3-20-06,
The writing style of your post reminds me of my own writing style in a post I did where I talked about “materialism” being the new religion of white people (see article about museums).

To say that white people are responsible for the decline of some blacks in America is an interesting point of view.

But your race is in a worldwide decline that goes beyond a reduction in standards of living. You are losing members of your demographic because the life of materialism is encroaching into the white family value system and causing too few births per woman to maintain your population.

Your post reminds me of this thing that happens when you take antibiotics for an illness, but stop the treatment before all of the germs are killed.

The germs you failed to kill are the strongest of the germ population, with the weak selected out in a Darwinian process.

The “unkilled” blacks are, in an odd way, like a drug resistant infection (yes,I am willing to use that term for this post) that cannot be killed by the previous “treatment”.

So, in the future, Mr. 10:44pm, whites in America will be dealing with Hispanics, whites own demographic suicide, and a “hardened” remainder of the black population.

It is more honorable to be “destroyed” at the hands of a talented enemy, than to commit racial suicide. Thank you

Posted by Black nerd at 8:28 AM on March 21

The truth still hurts. It is common knowledge and all these “think tanks” know it. If you lead a responsible, positive choices life, whether you have children or don’t, whether you marry or don’t, you will live a lot longer and your life will be very rewarding.

You get up every morning and make wrong choices and place the blame for your sorry a*s life on everybody but yourself, then you are destined for a miserable life.

It’s that simple and I didn’t have to spend millions of taxpayer dollars doing research and surveys to figure it out.

Posted by Gayle at 9:14 AM on March 21

Black Nerd: “It is “black on white” racism in the minds of blacks that is one of the biggest reasons for my race only being “fractionally successful” in America. I have seen first hand, that as soon as a black person trys to study and do well in school, they are said to be “trying to be white”. A big fraction of blacks in America are never going to be successful.”

RK: Well, I do have to say, guy, that I can’t disagree with that. Except for Jesse Petersen, I never thought I’d hear a black person admit that. If Rev. Petersen were as popular and listened to as Jackson and Sharpton, blacks in America would improve as a group unquestionably, and the ones who rate above the group in I.Q. and ability would be pulling the entire group along into an area that demanded greater respect, so long as a tight rein were placed on the lower classes who commit the most crime and violence, but there’s about as much chance of that as having snowfall on the equater.

“Acting white,” is something most blacks denigrate their own people with, because they can’t compete on the white man’s level, and they know it. I’m pretty sure they have tried to learn, but find it too difficult to keep up, because it is beyond their abilities. Demeaning other blacks for trying, is their way of assuring others won’t succeed, because they would be left behind as failures, which I’m pretty sure would be intolerable for them because they would be viewed by everybody as not being able to cut it. Of course, it’s racist to accuse another of “acting white,” but for them it’s a face-saving necessity.

White liberal demagogues refuse to accept the truth and, instead, have pushed for every kind of program imaginable to close a gap that cannot be closed, not just with whites, but Hispanics and other races as well, and it has had devastating effects on the black community as a whole. These people have done more to drive blacks to selling drugs, robbing banks, and criminal violence, than all the black charletans put together, although they too, as the white liberals, refuse to accept racial differences, but for different reasons: Black inability to succeed as a group, academically, on a par with everybody else they believe reduces their stature and image by association, and they will have none of that. They are arrogant to the core and view themselves as superior in every way. Accepting the truth would be too humiliating for them, so they pursue their demagoguery with a vengence, exacerbating black plight rather than helping it.

The solution to the problem would be to face matters honestly and quit all this ridiculous pretending that everybody is the same, and peacefully divide the country up into enclaves according to race, but allow anyone to live anywhere they want with the understanding that if they cause any kind of disruption within the community such action would be cause for their ouster. Most people would eventually settle among their own kind.

The liberals love to cite evolution so much, but they refuse to believe different people were evolved through thousands of years into various family groups made to live with only one another and not placed into some mish mash of races that are drastically different and have some serious difficulties that lead to great problems.

A peaceful separation will never occur, but we will definitely see a separation I’m sure of that. And it will be anything but peaceful, so we can expect much trouble and turmoil ahead for Western Civilization.


Posted by at 9:17 AM on March 21

How about an article about “the plight of murderers and rapists”. Black men don’t suffer much of a plight (except at the hands of other black men) and all the “plights” describes are personal choices. If I could become a black man, while still retaining my intellect and personality, I would PAY for it! After all, jobs would be easier to get, women would flock to me and I could get off the hook for various offenses just by crying “racism”.

Posted by jewamongyou at 9:24 AM on March 21

Blacks are not our allies on immigration reform.


Blacks seek salvation through affirmative action. The Black congegational caucus will take this new data and use to argue for more non-white immigration. They figure that the more non-whites there are, the coalition for affirmative action will be much more powerfull.


Civil rights for blacks resulted in Whites being economically and demographically marginalized.

Stanely Crouch argues that fate of blacks and Whites rise and fall together. I don’t buy this. The 1965 immigration reform act came out of the civil rights movement for blacks. The 1965 immigration refrom act has been a catastrophe for White Americans.

There is a direct causal line from the passage of civil rights legislation in 1965 to the commercials we see on TV today portraying asian men as intelligent and White males as morons.

There is a direct causal line from the passage of the 1965 civil rights act to the very real possibility of the demographic annihilation of White Americans.


If Blacks ever find themselves enslaved by the descendants of post-1965 non-white immigrants, I will not sacrifice my sons and daughters to free them. The liberaton of blacks is bringing about genocide for American Whites.

I hope the dumb blacks form a coalition with the hispanics. They probably will. If the hispanics support blacks on affirmative action, blacks will support hispanics on immigration.

A black and hispanic coalition will scare the you-know-what out of Whites. This will send a strong message to Whites to completely shut down immigration completely. In other words, a strong black and hispanic racial coalition will be the single most important factor in bringing about a White nationalist political movement.

Posted by jupiter at 9:27 AM on March 21

All these problems in the black community, yet black leaders rally behind illegal Mexican workers instead of helping poor black males get legal, decent work.

Posted by David at 9:36 AM on March 21

I don’t know…the white power structure MUST be to blame…afet 500 years of this and 400 years of that…you crackers are just too ignorant to see this.
Posted by Sick & Getting Sicker at 9:24 PM on March 20

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Yes, definitely. White people are SO evil and oppressive that we’re making Haiti worse and worse every year, more than 200 years after we LEFT it! That’s some mighty powerful oppression!! I think we must have contaminated the Haitian soil with time-released lazy powder.

Posted by Jill at 10:05 AM on March 21

Too bad the headline doesn’t read, “Plight deepens for liberal white people, studies warn.” If there were a means by which I could turn black wrath loose on their leftist “benefactors”, it would be a pleasure to initiate the process.

Posted by xenophon at 10:32 AM on March 21

Above lies the bitter fruits of liberalism-but liberals never accept responsibility for the chaos they visit upon everyone, black, white and whatever, by implementing their misbegotten policies. Whites for example are impoverished by the necessity of sending their children to private schools since public schools were rendered unusable by conscientious parents by racial integration. Liberals excuse themselves because”their motives were pure”- and they take no blame for laying waste to society. Liberalism surely is a mental disorder!

Posted by Bronco Billy at 11:50 AM on March 21

RE: Jeff Davis’ inquiry regarding the “good ol’ days”

In the “good ol’ days” (pre -1965) you had substantial percentages (much, much higher than today) of the adult black population with the following lifestyle traits:

1- Lived in a married household with legitimate children who’s upbringing and behavior was supervised.

2- Could perform such useful tasks as: balancing a checkbook and a household budget, could figure out more optimum ways (both nutritionally and economically speaking) to spend the family grocery dollar. Could NEVER have been fooled financially speaking by falling into the trap of “Rent-To-Own” appliance/big screen TV retailers. Could stay out of criminal court.

3 — Actually had functional and legitimate public high school diplomas that were better than what most white kids get today from a public high school.

4 — Actually had living wage jobs.

5 — Had enough sense to seek advice of more knowledgeable
people if they were having difficulties or issues.

Posted by at 12:09 PM on March 21


Well, they should all go back to Africa, especially South Africa where affirmative action is replacing skilled qualified whites with unskilled unqualified Blacks. They can all help towards the dismantling of the first world infrastructure the blacks have inherited, plenty of work for lazy unskilled blacks there.

Electricity outages
•Tue, 28 Feb 2006

“Cape Town has been reeling from regular electricity cuts over the past week. The Western Cape is reliant largely on power generated at the Koeberg nuclear power station as there is a limit to the amount of electricity that can be transmitted over the national power grid from power stations on the highveld. …………..

It would seem, too, that affirmative action has wrought as much damage to Eskom in stripping it of long-serving and qualified personnel as to other parastatals and government departments. Four of Koeberg’s most experienced executives, for instance, including its power station manager, plant manager and safety director, have left to take jobs overseas…………………… “

https://www.witness.co.za/default.asp?myAction=detail&myRef=41250&myCat=opinion

PMB’s power crisis
•Mon, 20 Mar 2006

By Nalini Naidoo

“City faces winter outages, warn experts

Pietermaritzburg is heading in the same direction as Cape Town with the possibility of ongoing power failures — only this time it is not Eskom to blame but the city’s own internal system.
Sources within the municipality say our system is failing because there has only been sporadic maintenance carried out for the past six to seven years and there are no qualified and experienced staff to do the work.

They say we have an electricity department with hardly any electricians. While planning technicians have been given jobs, not a single electrician has been employed in the last seven years. ………………..
Sources have described the city’s electricity department as a sinking ship. Last year there was a major trip and power went off in three quarters of the city. ………………………

They allege that the sinking ship is captainless as the process manager or head, Simphiwe Mchunu, has been away for extended periods on stress leave. His last lengthy absence was from December to mid-February…….

So what’s going wrong?

It seems that the power coming in from Eskom is being fed into a system of aging sub-stations that have not been maintained. In addition the city is growing at an alarming rate, yet the municipality is not putting in enough sub-stations to keep up with the growth, nor are plans being prepared by the forward planning department for new sub-stations. The experts believe that if councillors investigate they will find that the forward planning department has no funds. …………………

But only sporadic maintenance has been carried out in the past seven to eight years. …………..
However, the biggest problem, say sources, is that the city has an electricity department that is functioning without electricians……………

They say Mchunu — a technician with a B. Tech. degree — does not have the range of skills required to run an electricity department. His absence on stress leave is taken as an indication that he is not coping.
The situation is not being helped by the fact that all the new staff being employed are technicians rather than electricians. The department previously had a system of apprentices moving up the ranks, but no electrician has been employed in the past seven years. The sources allege that there are currently more staff in higher management than there are on the ground to do the work.

Inexperience is another problem. Illustrations of this includes a blowout at a sub-station.The staff who went out to do the repairs ended up further damaging the equipment. In another instance staff did not know how to replace a part. ……………………….”

https://www.witness.co.za/default.asp?myAction=detail&myRef=41787&myCat=news


Posted by ex white african at 2:26 PM on March 21

It is not “black culture” that keeps blacks from working - it’s the welfare culture. The Hispanics who are coming here illegally would be more than happy to take cash-aid welfare if they could, but they can’t (they still get all sorts of other gov’t benefits, though, and their presence increases the number of Americans who need such programs*.)

Take away the welfare and able-bodied people will work.

Getting the Congressional Black Caucus on our side in this matter would be a coup. They have every reason to oppose illegal immigration, and they have 40 voting members in the House.


* See the USA Today article that shows enrollment in government welfare programs increased 17% over the last 5 years, while “only” rose 5%.

Posted by Alan at 2:34 PM on March 21

to George Manuelian(post of 2:58am 3-21-06)
George said,

“they just don’t have the necessary faculties to understand the technical concepts of computer science or electrical engineering”

Well George, I will agree that blacks overall are not smart enough as indicated above,if you will agree that the 7204VXR is an overpriced piece of junk even with about twice the back-plane bandwidth of the 7204 router it replaced (1 gigabit compared to 600 mb).
There are always exceptions out there. I have been a black BSEE working for 16 years and have had no difficulty competing with whites or anyone else. It is good to be nerdy.

Maybe if you were able to get some sleep, you would realize that your area can be learned by anyone who likes technology and works hard in school.

Once a black person can get away from loser blacks saying education is a white thing, the world is a door that can be easily opened.

Posted by Black nerd at 2:43 PM on March 21

The article says, “Black men in the United States face a far more dire situation than is portrayed by common employment and education statistics”

Considering what constitutes most of the current crop of black men nowdays, I’m sure that’s an appropriate statment.

The article says, “Focusing more closely than ever on the life patterns of young black men.. “Incarceration rates climbed in the 1990’s and reached historic highs in the past few years. In 1995, 16 percent of black men in their 20’s who did not attend college were in jail or prison; by 2004, 21 perent were incarcerated. By their mid-30’s, 6 in 10 black men who had dropped out of school had spent time in prision. In the inner cities, more than half of all black men do not finish high school”

Ooops, there it is! Exactamundo. They CHOOSE their future.

Posted by Shawn (the female) at 2:46 PM on March 21

To the 9:17 poster,The reason Jesse Peterson is not as “popular” as Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson is because the guilt ridden whites who run television refuse to air any independant thinking black people.

Posted by at 3:16 PM on March 21

“I think we must have contaminated the Haitian soil with time-released lazy powder.”

It also comes in new Grape and Cherry flavors. Just the thing for inner city youths.

WARNING: May cause some affirmative action, urban blight, illegitimacy, random violence, and extreme lack of ambition.
CONSULT your local Diversity Official if side effects occur.

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Posted by Regular Joe at 3:58 PM on March 21

It is “black on white” racism in the minds of blacks that is one of the biggest reasons for my race only being “fractionally successful” in America. I have seen first hand, that as soon as a black person trys to study and do well in school, they are said to be “trying to be white”. — Black nerd

The old “crabs in a bucket” syndrome. If a crab tries to crawl out of the bucket, the other crabs pull him back in. So who exactly is keepin’ a brotha down?

I personally don’t think the flood of illegal aliens we’ve been subjected to helps black men too much either. That is probably an even worse problem than the “crabs in a bucket” thing.

Posted by Brendan in Mpls at 4:13 PM on March 21

Very disturbing posts from some of my “white brothers”.Many blacks in the US used to be better citizens than most of the white kids coming out the public schools today,and then I read that “blacks are incapable” of being peaceful or responsible or hard working. Although it’s gratifying to read that Americans are finally waking up, many don’t seem to be aware of their own tribalism.

Posted by target rich california at 4:38 PM on March 21

Jeff Davis: I’ve heard good things about “Once Upon A Time,
When We Were Black”. It’s an account of life in the South during

the 40’s and 50’s when Church was the center of Black Life and

hard work and family were common values. Used on Amazon for a

dollar.

Posted by Lugh at 4:39 PM on March 21

“…65 percent of black male high school dropouts in their 20’s were jobless — that is, unable to find work, not seeking it or incarcerated.”

Given the tendency for todays young black males to be disinterested in education, to NOT want to do any work, to want to sell drugs and commit crimes, and to see incarceration as “Street Cred”; I’d have to wonder if young black men see the current trend as a “plight” or rather as their “goal”?


Posted by SLW at 5:44 PM on March 21

Jill says: “White people are SO evil and oppressive that we’re making Haiti worse and worse every year, more than 200 years after we LEFT it!”

The whites of Haiti - men, women and children “left” by being brutally murdered en masse by the blacks.

According to people like Kwame Kambon this is the answer for colored people - to exterminate all whites. Since all the whites of Haiti were murdered it has been paradise ever since.

Posted by Martin at 6:24 PM on March 21

Black Nerd.

I am the writer of the 10:44 Post, which you responded to so well. Sometimes I have to not use my various “screen” names since sombody at AMREN deletes my more “honest” harsh posts when I use any of my screen names. When I write without a name, it seems to get posted.

Anyway, I am very impressed with your ability to see the bigger picture. With the way the future is going, you would be a welcomed speaker FOR BLACK AMERICANS who know something is terribly wrong. I would imagine there are thousands, perhaps millions of Black Americans who are sick of the destruction of their race and their culture just as we millions of whites are.

The Black Americans NEED someone like you to say it as it is. You would be helping those who are waking up and you would actually help prevent a violent white back-lash when it comes. (And it is coming).

The Black and White race needs intelligent, HONEST, people/leaders on both sides to stop this madness. The Black race pimps (Jesse and AL) hate not only whites but their own race. They are killing your people. The white PC whores are selling out my race, using your race, and leading us all down a path to violent destruction with their sick, perverted and unnatural agendy.

YOu will be SAVAGELY HATED (believe it or not mostly by WHITE people), but at the same time ABSOLUTELY LOVED by people of your race who are sick of being used and seeing their children’s lived destroyed by race-traitor Black leaders and sickening white liberal/leftist/democrat/communist liars.

You have the gift and talent to write. Go for it.

Sincerely, White Activist/Pro White Race/HomoRacial Rick.

Posted by White Activist at 6:29 PM on March 21


Whenever I hear the average young black attempt to speak English, I cringe. Who would want to hire someone who cannot speak clearly and properly? Then I see and hear some English (from Great Britian)black speak.

You wonder, how come that English black can ennunciate, and the American black ‘cannot’? They are both black. So don’t try to tell me the American black cannot, he just does not want to. So, then he cannot get a job with a future: what with attitude, dress and non-speaking ability; of course, it is all the white citizen’s fault!

Posted by at 7:31 PM on March 21

I keep hearing how its the fault of the welfare (What a Great Society!) state that blacks had so many illegitimate kids, discarded work for being on the dole, etc.

My question is, if this were true, why didn’t it happen to whites and asians? Why didn’t they drop out of the workforce? Where are all the white street gangs and drug dealers hanging out at the corner? Where are all the whites and asians filling up the jails?

The real story is that, with the Civil Rights movement, and affirmative action, blacks no longer felt they should, or were compelled to, imitate white family structures. They looked upon that way of life with contempt, and went back to their instinctive, traditional african family structure. Same results here as there.

Posted by at 9:09 PM on March 21

Black Nerd: “I have seen first hand, that as soon as a black person trys to study and do well in school, they are said to be “trying to be white”.

Back around 1978 there was a feature article in Harper’s (the old Harper’s!) called “Confessions of a Blue-Chip Black”. It would be worth looking up, though it made sad reading. The author was a successful black who came from a successful black family of pretty long standing, as I recall, and he was just consumed by his sense that he was somehow “inauthentic”, had somehow sold out the community.

Posted by crowbone at 9:24 PM on March 21

to White Activist(post of 6:29pm 3-21-06)
At one time, I actually thought you might have been someone on the Amren editorial staff and I was surprised that you have also had some moderation of your post in the past. I read your “10:44” post several times and was shocked by the many “nails” you hit right on the head about some of the damage smart blacks do when they leave black communities to live in nicer areas. If my people can’t live next to a “black nerd”, then they will never see that there is a better way.

We disagree on the point of blacks being “invited” to live with whites and enjoy white women, but on the “racial battlefield” it is our job (you and I) to disagree in some areas.

With you out there posting, WA, I will have to stay sharp and think harder about what I say. This is good because easy battles are not worth winning. See you next time,
BN

Posted by Black nerd at 11:12 PM on March 21

to Tom Iron(post of 6:17am 3-17-06)
Thanks for your remarks!

When I saw this article, I knew I had no hard ground to stand on, but felt I had to “show my face” even though there is no defending the failure of some of my racial group. I did not think my honesty was anything special, but I will try to stay honest in the future. See you at the next low birth rate article and regards,

BN

Posted by Black nerd at 11:32 PM on March 21

I had a stroke on Sunday, and spent about six hours paralyzed on my left side on my floor. I’ll be at work on Wednesday. Only the outer two fingers of my left hand are still numb. I have no medical insurance; I get better on my own.

All these third-worlders who comlain about how hard life is; I don’t understand you. I had a stroke on Sunday and I’m back to work. I despise you.

Posted by Michael C. Scott at 1:28 AM on March 22

“Black females have similar low I.Q.’s but have better academic and employment records. So what’s the difference? Could it be testosterone?”

Could it be aggression? Black females are not usually dangerous to be around. Not so black males. Sort of makes it harder in the ole job market.

NN

Posted by Nomen Nescio at 2:31 AM on March 22

I have little hope any of this will get better. The South Africa/Rhodesia model seems to be our future. The discussion here reminds me of a telemarketing call I got about two years ago. The caller, obviously a black woman, seemed to have trouble reading the sales pitch script, and I had a hard time understanding her. She kept repeating the same sentence, saying “wit da American Online.” I finally realized she did not know the name of the company she was representing, America (not American) Online. Further inquiry revealed she did not know that this company was commonly referred to as AOL, didn’t understand the concept of a rate plan or long term discount, and was irritated when asked to explain how AOL was a better deal than the competition. Troubling, to say the least…

Posted by ConcernedCompatriot at 3:21 AM on March 22

Alan wrote: “It is not “black culture” that keeps blacks from working - it’s the welfare culture.”

What is the welfare culture? The most extensive welfare states in the world are in Scandinavia, and so are the highest employment rates: the four Scandinavian countries, plus Switzerland, comprise the five countries with the highest employment rates in the world. Yes, here are societies where there is no need to work, where taxes are higher than anywhere else, and yet the percentage of people who do work is higher than in low-tax countries like the UK and USA.

However, Third World immigrants have shockingly low levels of participation in the labour force, together with extremely high levels of violent crime. This is especially true of those from sub-Saharan Africa, such as Somalis. How can this be blamed on the welfare state, when it’s only some ethnic groups that refuse to work, and commit so many violent crimes?

Posted by a student at 4:29 AM on March 22

Simply amazing — how some of these posters echoed what I’ve been saying for ages now:

>>“I have seen first hand, that as soon as a black person trys to study and do well in school, they are said to be “trying to be white”.

>>>blacks no longer felt they should, or were compelled to, imitate white family structures. They looked upon that way of life with contempt, and went back to their instinctive, traditional african family structure.


>>>Who would want to hire someone who cannot speak clearly and properly?

>>>White people are SO evil and oppressive that we’re making Haiti worse and worse every year, more than 200 years after we LEFT it!”

>>>All these problems in the black community, yet black leaders rally behind illegal Mexican workers instead of helping poor black males get legal, decent work

>>>The so called war on poverty created this mess in our inner cities.By throwing billions of dollars at this problem starting in the 1960’s,the government destroyed any work ethic that existed.

These salient, straight to the point quotes go on and on — I just repeated a few here for emphasis. Anyone recall MY pointing out how illegal immigration hurts Blacks first and hardest? My pointing out companies will invariably hire Hispanics IN PREFERENCE to hiring Blacks? Does ANYONE still have trouble understanding the WHY of that?

Posted by Fed Up at 7:40 AM on March 22

Why is that blacks, when they are not under the control of whites, are always screwed up? Seriously, look at parts of Africa that were once colonized by whites, they went back to same hellhole they were before. Look at the inner cities and other parts of America that were all white or at least controlled by whites…they were better off.

Posted by Todd at 8:22 AM on March 22

Posted by 7:31, regarding your comment on the blacks’ massacre of the English language — you’re absolutely correct.

Last week I phoned a hospital in Gwinnett County Georgia, to speak to my sister in law, who was a patient. I didn’t have the direct dial number yet, so I had to go through the hospital operator. The conversation went like this: I absoulutely kid you not.

“GWENN MED-kull” [for Gwinnett Medical Center]

“May I have room 5**?

“Whuh?”

“May I have room 5** please?

[pause] Lann busy DAT room.”

“I’m sorry??”

“LANN BUSY DATT ROOM!”

click

I turned right around, called the hospital administrator and complained. I pulled no punches, politely telling them I understood they had to comply with affirmative action hires, but that there were many people of this employee’s ethnic persuasion who COULD speak professional, polite, intelligible English, and that for a phone position they needed to have sought out one.

If we rock the boat, there’s only a slim chance something will be done. If we don’t rock the boat and complain, it’s GUARANTEED nothing will.

Posted by Shawn (the female) at 10:02 AM on March 22

>>>Why is that blacks, when they are not under the control of whites, are always screwed up? Seriously, look at parts of Africa that were once colonized by whites, they went back to same hellhole they were before

EXCELLENT POINT!!!

The National Geographic Magazine ran a “feel good” edition attempting to show the “progress” made in Africa by the various black nations — possibly written by some Jared Diamond guy who carefully AVOIDED mention of the real problems. Such as the past and current genocides going on. The various tribal wars. The rampant AIDs epidemics brought on by their collective ignorant stupidity.

The payoff was the question posed on the NGM webpage: “Do you agree with Jared Diamond Africa has hope for the future?” or some similarly worded nonsense. Needless to say, anyone daring to imply that Africa was doomed through its peoples’ stupidity and animalistic behavior toward each other was soundly castigated by posters.

The bottom lne being: Africans (or Afro-Americans) are apparently constitutionally (genetic to any mentally challanged minority members reading this post) unable to confront their own failures. Black AFricans (domestic or those in Africa) ALWAYS have to blame White Racism for everything wrong, past, present or future. Incapable of understanding they, themselves hurt each other more brutally than they;ve ever been hurt by their White Masters — during slavery days, or the colonial days in Africa.

Take our home-grown absurdity, the Nigerian Church of America (or whatever their title is) busy spending millions on a monument to the vanity of its Nigerian leader. While so many NIGERIAN cousins back in Africa are starving.

Does this make sense? Do very many Black people make sense?

Posted by Fed Up at 1:22 PM on March 22

Michael Scott, I wish you well and a speedy recovery.

Posted by Shawn (the female) at 3:43 PM on March 22

Michael,

I hope you feel better soon. Hang in there…

Posted by Regular Joe at 5:07 PM on March 22

Wait till the No Child Left Behind Act is fully in force in several years. No one will be able to graduate high school without proficiency in English and math. (You will have to be able to reason, deduce fact from data and read more than a cartoon). Except for a small minority that the Ivy League type schools grab anyway, there will be fewer African Americans in high schools and college enrollments will plummet. Black college graduates will be even fewer, including from the easy to enter “black” colleges where most blacks hope to go because those schools are so easy.

America had best prepare for a new “civil rights” movement once it dawns on black leaders and their liberal allies that the “right” to high school education has vanished for African Americans due to the federal law changes, NCLB in 2001, supported by both parties. That law will not “raise” achievement, it will weed out the non-learners that haven’t already been dumped by the current easy to graduate high schools. So the already large numbers of uneducated, unruly masses of young AA will further increase.

Posted by feller at 6:55 PM on March 22

“So, in the future, Mr. 10:44pm, whites in America will be dealing with Hispanics, whites own demographic suicide, and a “hardened” remainder of the black population.

It is more honorable to be “destroyed” at the hands of a talented enemy, than to commit racial suicide. Thank you

Posted by Black nerd at 8:28 AM on March 21”

Black Nerd,

Good posts as usual. What is interesting is that the young “whites” who have grown up as minorities (like yours truly). As well as the other young whites who have the self hating white mans oppressive boot on their heads are all going to be very hardened as well. In fact, Hitlers biggest complaint about whites is that they were not ethnocentric enough. Well lookout. For the record, I do not believe the Latin Population explosion will do anything but take back Atzlan (numerically they can do that right now — -but numbers are not everything). I see this country splitting up long — long before whites become a minority. I don’t see the current situation going another 10 years.

The big challenge will be for interracial folks/families and for decent Blacks like yourself. They wil have problems. Well maybe not a talented black man like yourself (unless you have a white wife). Can you imagine being the white female in a newly liberated black area? You can kiss her goodbye! When I was back in Detroit last time (I grew up there). Every black women I talked with — pretty much stated that they are ready to start to shooting black men. They were angry and disgusted with black men for many reasons beyond “dating out”. They definately don’t want white women around. I would be willing to bet black women would go for a seperation ASAP. Forget the Klan — — if you are a black man — -worry about Black Women!!

Posted by DS1 at 7:06 PM on March 22

Michael,
My best wishes to you for a complete recovery and many, many years of health.

Posted by crowbone at 8:36 PM on March 22

Nomen Nescio

“Could it be aggression? Black females are not usually dangerous to be around. Not so black males. Sort of makes it harder in the ole job market.”

You got a lot to learn. I hope you don’t learn it the hard way.

Here’s one example for you: Chicago; young white college student sitting on a bus with a knife in his duffle bag. He probably thought he might need it in some of the bad neghborhoods he had to go through to get to school. A young black women spots the knife and without warning stabs him to death with it. That’s just one of many examples I could list to disprove your statement. Live and learn. Or not.

Posted by John S. at 9:10 PM on March 22

Hope you feel better, Michael, and best wishes for a complete recovery.

Posted by Old Victorian at 9:43 PM on March 22

It’s amazing that this article is of such an interest to so many people. Everyone wants to comment on an article that confirms their fears, wants, regrets, prejudices. But if this were an article showing black people in a positive light would you care to comment? Of course not! You want to hear about the bad things. You want to hear about the worse people and come up with the most prejudice and racist solutions to the problems. I do not believe anyone who has commented on the plight of the black male is qualified to do so. Likewise, black men have a right to comment on the plight of the white man. The poster that earlier talked about self responsibility is correct but it goes beyond just owning up to your own actions and taking the consequences, it leaks into not doing, saying, and thinking things that hinder someone else. To say that you should ignore what other people say or that what they say have no value to your own life is a lie. Everyone at some point or another have been influenced by what someone else has said or done to them. Because of this, it is everyone’s responsibility to help anyone in need regardless of race or sex. Sitting at your computer at home looking for articles that agree with your racist points of view don’t help you disposition or our society. Wake up gentlemen and come to 2006!

Posted by at 12:59 AM on March 23

Michael, my dad, age now 78, had a strike on Father’s Day but has made a reasonably good recovery(although he no longer drives, but I think he was old enough to stop anyway). He’s a veteran and covered by Medicare, so he’s more fortunate than you. I’m sorry about your misfortune.

Posted by Cindy at 2:52 AM on March 23

Black American males are the most successful people in the history of Mankind. Most have children by several women, often white, and don’t pay a penny to support them.

Posted by Godzilla Pimp at 9:33 AM on March 23

“Black American males are the most successful people in the history of Mankind. Most have children by several women, often white, and don’t pay a penny to support them.”

I don’t know Godzilla pimp, let’s examine this statement logically. There are approximately 40 million blacks in America, that makes 20 million black males, if we eliminate say 10% of those too young to conceive children or impotent, that leaves 18 million black males. If “most” of those black males; let’s say 10 million, had “children by several women”, as you assert, and if we define the term several as between three and infinity (we’ll settle on a low number, say four) that would make 40 million black kids fathered by just 10 million black males. Now assume for a second that not one of the other 8 million black males had ever had children. the population breakdown would be as follows:

Black Females: 20 million
Randy Black males 10 million

Children of randy black males 40 million

Black males impotent or too young to procreate 2 million

Black males without kids 8 million.

This would lead to a total of 80 million blacks in today’s America not the 40 million we now have which renders your statement silly, reactionary, and just plain dumb.

In addition a quick search will tell you that when the civil war broke out, blacks comprised about 12% of the US population. That figure has risen today: to a whopping 13%. So much for your theory of most black males and their multiple children.

If you have any questions, please do not be afraid to ask.

Posted by Truth at 2:00 PM on March 23

“Wake up gentlemen and come to 2006!”

That, precisely, is the reason for this site.

Posted by Shabbos Shabazz at 2:50 PM on March 23

To the writer of the message on ‘12:59 AM on March 23’:

Many of us would be very interested in news about groups such as Africans succeeding, or African countries succeeding. For one thing, if Africa succeeds, there will be no reason for so many Africans to break our laws to enter Europe. At the same time, it will mean all those immigrants who are already here are not a write off, as the evidence suggests the majority of them are, but instead can be educated to become productive contributors to society.

When I have looked for information to refute the hypothesis that the problems of the unsuccessful ethnic minorities are largely explained by biology, I have found a lot of attempts to explain their failure by pointing to ‘European racism’ (even in societies without any significant number of Europeans!), but virtually nothing to suggest these groups are successful anywhere in the world. Conversely, immigrants who come from successful races tend to be successful too, even if they aren’t the same race as the native population.

I agree it is the duty of those who are more able to help those who are less able, especially within a society, and also amongst societies, but this must be done with the clear understanding that those who are more able are helping because they wish to lessen the suffering of the less able, and not because they are responsible for it. It must also be understood that such help will never solve problems rooted in biology. If either of these is misunderstood, the result will only be increased hatred of the successful groups by the unsuccessful ones.

Although we should help poor countries, there is no obligation to allow our lands and cultures to be overrun by immigrants from these countries, who cannot or will not appreciate our culture, and will only recreate enclaves of their own backward societies within ours, leading to ethnic conflict, violoent crime and other social problems. We should not allow any more of them in, and those who are already here should be encouraged to go home, since they clearly do not fit into our social models, and most of them probably never will.

Posted by a student at 5:54 PM on March 23

Dear 12:59 AM on March 23-Sitting at home looking at the world through rose-colored glasses isn’t very productive either, especially when our culture and civilization is crumbling around us, It reminds of someone on the Titantic who sits on the deck imagining that everything is going to turn out swell! It is even worse to get involved in facilitating the decline by supporting left-wing charities and programs based upon the radical egalitarianism of the Left. Hand-wringing liberals who constantly make excuses for minority nonachievement bring on more nonachievement by tacitly excusing it, casting minorities spuriously into the role of “victims”. A little less minority self-esteem, and more assumption of responsibility might make a difference, but responsibility is a concept foreign to liberals.

Posted by Jungle Jim at 6:52 PM on March 23

“I agree it is the duty of those who are more able to help those who are less able, especially within a society, and also amongst societies”

Why?

Posted by belle kerve at 12:59 PM on March 24

Replying to belle kerve at 12:59 PM on March 24:

‘“I agree it is the duty of those who are more able to help those who are less able, especially within a society, and also amongst societies”

‘Why?’

The simple answer is, because we can. Within a society, everyone goes through stages where they are more or less able to contribute to support themselves and others. Supporting the young in education, for example, allows them to return more to society when they start working. The old have already contributed, and may no longer be able to, so it is comforting to all who are contributing to know that they will not have to fear poverty when they are old. They will then be more willing to take risks with new ideas and businesses when they can, and will be less tempted to cheat, etc.

There is also very strong evidence that a welfare state, producing more equal distribution of wealth within a society, leads to a more stable society, with less crime and division, and higher overall prosperity. However, this does not work for some groups (eg Third World immigrants), who abuse the system if they are allowed to.

A utilitarian argument can also be made, in that the poor/unemployed who receive subsidies from the state receive greater utility from those subsidies than is lost by those who pay for them. The same people typically give and receive at different times too, so it is not just an endless transfer from one group to another (except for transfers to some immigrant groups), which can be divisive.

Finally, a welfare state is the best way to allow everyone in society to make the best use of their potential. There will of course be differences in outcome, stemming from differences in ability, et al, but if everyone can live comfortably by doing what they’re able to, these differences will not lead to social unrest. (Again, the system does not appear to work with Third World immigrants.)

Transfers from one society to another are not as important, but the utilitarian argument still applies: a small sacrifice in contriuting to charities in rich countries can do a great deal of good in poor countries. I’d also say that it is an intrinsically good thing to alleviate the suffering of others, if it can be done without introducing suffering elsewhere.

Posted by a student at 9:15 AM on March 25

Dear Student-There is no duty for those who can to give to those in need-read the old fable of the “Little Red Hen”. Don’t facilitate co-dependency. Most charities and charitable foundations nowadays have been co-opted and taken over by leftists, so supporting most charities today means supporting and facilitating the agenda of the Left. The agenda of the Left, in turn, is what is penalizing initiative, coarsening our culture, “dumbing down” our children and destroying our moral and ethical standards-in other words, it is the problem we should seek to eradicate, not nurture and fertilize with money. So choose the charities you support very carefully-the only sound a liberal truly fears is the sound of a closing purse!

Posted by Ramar of the Jungle at 12:47 AM on March 27


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