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Dwayne Robinson, Miami Herald, December 31, 2007

Six members of a family were arrested at The Mall at Wellington Green in an incident that began last week benignly enough over a pair of droopy jeans but ended like a chaotic scene out of the Cops television show.

An estimated 20 deputies, two canine units and a police helicopter swarmed the area surrounding the mall’s food court, shutting down roads, all to arrest a 52-year-old man, his 50-year-old wife and four other relatives, ages 16 to 20, Thursday evening.

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For the Leger family, a Haitian family which has lived in Wellington since 1992, though, this is no laughing matter. They say sheriff’s deputies overreacted with not just their numbers but also with sheer force.

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That isn’t so, deputies say. The family attempted to stop deputies from arresting a relative, which led to the situation spiraling out of control.

‘COMMON COURTESY’

The fracas began around 7 p.m. Thursday when deputies arrested Frantz Leger, the Legers’ 20-year-old son. He had returned to the mall where he was banned for violating its “Rules of Common Courtesy” in or around August. The Florida State University sophomore business major was verboten for wearing his pants too low.

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His return to the mall was a violation of that trespass warning, deputies later charged.

“The mall doesn’t put up with that tomfoolery bullcrap,” Hart said [Palm Beach County sheriff’s Lt. Jay Hart] said. “His pants were down below his butt. No one goes to the mall and wants to see the crack of someone’s butt.”

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Marthe Leger was arrested in 1994 on larceny and robbery charges, and Alain Oidge was arrested in October on charges of fraud, driving while his license was suspended and resisting an officer without violence.

The Legers say their Haitian heritage and treatment at the mall are not coincidental. “We feel like we’ve been prejudiced,” Marthe said. “They treat us like a second-class citizen.”

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Sheriff’s Capt. Greg Richter, Wellington’s senior law enforcement officer, countered: “The family got involved and tried to intervene and tried to resist the officers and that’s why they were subsequently arrested. It had nothing to do with the color of their skin. It had to do with their actions.”

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(Posted on January 2, 2008)

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The racist black african Haitains are notorius for their overt racism and disrespect for law and order. They should never be permitted to come here. And not one white middle class taxpayer should ever have to pay one red cent of taxes for their welfare. That is a type of slavery against every working white person who is forced to pay for those racist people. Haiti needs massive birth control so their racist hordes will stay in their paradise that they own through extermination of the white and mulatto people who used to live there at the time of their revolution over 200 years ago.

Posted by Elrey Jones at 6:15 PM on January 2


The Legers say their Haitian heritage and treatment at the mall are not coincidental. “We feel like we’ve been prejudiced,” Marthe said. “They treat us like a second-class citizen.”
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Yep,same old protests from black criminals and their family. It’s amazing how blacks, no matter where they are from, are so similar. I don’t know any people or have family members who have problems with the law.

It’s unthinkable to most of us to be criminal but for blacks, that’s normal, like it is nothing for every member of the family to have some problems with the law. They also have no shame whatsoever.

I hope they get their full punishment and deportation to their hell hole island which btw is black run. I’m glad the mall and the police dept are not backing down, they should just ban any black teens due to overwhelming evidence that the majority of them are danger to human beings. Perhaps people’s thinking has changed a bit after dealing with black criminals for decades.

Posted by at 6:19 PM on January 2


well these police did us a service here

Posted by at 6:20 PM on January 2


Lady (and I use the term loosely), you ARE being “prejudiced.”
Your family has criminals. We have police. The two go together. Perhaps Haiti doesn’t have laws, but we do, so if you’re legal, get your act together or go to the slammer. If not, bon voyage!

Posted by June at 6:29 PM on January 2


I find it ironic that a 20-year old business major can’t follow the simple rules and regulations of a private establishment. Being that this is a private establishment, they have more leeway to set these kinds of rules than governments. Sometimes I wish they had much more leeway.

Posted by St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister at 6:30 PM on January 2


“They treat us like 2nd class citizens”!……because you ARE!!!!
And please, jump on the race victim bandwagon if you can find room.

Posted by at 6:39 PM on January 2


Sheriff’s Capt. Greg Richter, Wellington’s senior law enforcement officer, countered: “The family got involved and tried to intervene and tried to resist the officers and that’s why they were subsequently arrested. It had nothing to do with the color of their skin. It had to do with their actions.”

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Greg Richter will be reprimanded for that. It’s always about skin color with blacks.

Posted by NordicPhile at 6:51 PM on January 2


Following rules again seems to always be the problem.It is like these people go through life thinking that the rules of society doesn’t apply to them .Then they are shocked when someone brings this to their attention.The PO-PO are picking on them.Either learn to follow the rules or leave the country.

Posted by THE MAN at 7:04 PM on January 2


If the Legers have been granted citizenship, they quite obviously are second class citizens, aside from their race. Larceny, robbery, fraud, driving on a suspended license, resisting arrest, and buttcrack display are not exactly signs of civic virtue. Send them back to Haiti, where their neighbors will more likely appreciate dorsal cleavage, along with the Legers other hobbies.

Posted by Schoolteacher at 9:26 PM on January 2


“Following rules again seems to always be the problem.It is like these people go through life thinking that the rules of society doesn’t apply to them .Then they are shocked when someone brings this to their attention.The PO-PO are picking on them.Either learn to follow the rules or leave the country.

Posted by THE MAN at 7:04 PM on January 2 “

Right! My g-d, have these idiots never heard of the TonTon Macoute from their home country? Do they think they’d be treated better by them than by U.S. cops?

Posted by Wild Eyed Charlie at 9:43 PM on January 2


The attitude by the “black” family is why blacks destroy communities. They believe that rules are meant to be broken, and they’re willing to fight anyone who tries to enforce them.

As well, I always find it fascinating how some people can’t see how they destroy themselves, and most blacks are a case study in that pathology.

Ah, those Haitians. They know how a good and proper society runs. Just look at that hell-hole of a country.

Posted by Proactive at 9:49 PM on January 2


I expect a big payout from Florida taxpayers in 2009.

Posted by GetBackJack at 10:03 PM on January 2


Maybe Darwin was right.

Posted by David H. at 10:16 PM on January 2


Is the backwardness and chaos of Africa any wonder? In the European continent the classical world of Greece and Rome were born, Christianity took root, classical music was born in parralel to mathematics and heavenly spheres(Boetheus)In Africa you have vudu and music based on the libido…You can take the Black man out of the Dark continent but………

Posted by Petrarch at 11:47 PM on January 2


Just more of blacks thinking they can just do whatever they want and feel like with no consequences or penalties. They have no shame, no sense of responsibility and no idea of proper civic behaviour. HE WAS BANNED FROM THE MALL so he had no business being there. That mall is private property. They didn’t want to put up with his nonsense. No matter where they come from or go to blacks are always the same.

Posted by at 12:13 AM on January 3


I’m certainly in agreement that these punks wear their pants too low (I was told this started in the blacks community because in prison they aren’t given belts).

BUT, you don’t need 20 cops and canine unit and a helicopter. The cops in this country are out of control. Blacks bear the largest brunt of this because crime is rampant in their communities. I’m sick of these bully cops and the tazers.

The only terrorist most Americans will ever see is a cop (not all cops) but I believe the majority are out of line.

Posted by Richard Preston at 12:39 AM on January 3


“They treat us like 2nd class citizens”!……because you ARE!!!!
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I doubt they’re even citizens at all. I wish the article elaborated on that; but of course newspapers aren’t going to tell you such things. Might offend someone!

I say if they don’t like the treatment they got from the police in Florida, let them go back home and see how they like the police in Haiti! (I guarantee they won’t be filing any brutality complaints there.)

Posted by beenthere at 12:42 AM on January 3


Frantz Ledger is a business major, eh? And I bet he’s an honors student too. He’ll go far if he shows up for job interviews with those saggy pants. The cops did him a favor to point out how inappropriate he looked - something his parents should have done but left it to the taxpayers to take care of.

Posted by at 1:37 AM on January 3


Dear Mrs. Leger: I’ve seen London, I’ve seen France, and I’ve seen…..Frantz’ underpants??? Um, NOT!!

If I had been at that mall, I would have made a complaint and expected the rules to be followed. Obviously you and your family feel the rules do not apply to you, but they do. And, having 20 police officers to arrest six of your family was entirely correct. That’s a little over three officers per arrestee. The canine unit and helicopter were probably necessary, too, as anyone who has seen a sawed off shotgun pulled out of a pair of “ghetto pants” can attest.

Sorry (NOT) about Frantz’s arrest, but he sounds like he needs to go someplace where he can learn how to dress.

Very truly yours, Mall Shopper With Rights to Courtesy.

Posted by at 2:06 AM on January 3


The only point is that the mallis private property - and as such even in today’s USA (which bears no relation to the nation of 1776)has the unreserved and absolute right to decide on its own code of dress and decorum.
If you don’t like it - don’t use the mall!

Posted by Kenelm Digby at 6:31 AM on January 3


Just threaten them with voodoo dolls with pants down and pins stuck into their arses as they will probably take this more seriously than the law in USA. I don’t blame the cops for turning up in force as otherwise they would have been stabbed or shot by a bunch of black africans who always seem ready to mobilise in large numbers at these events. The helicopter was probably there to film evidence (as we have oft seen on TV) and I doubt if it was fitted with stinger missiles or ready to drop anti-personnel mines. Is it true that haiti is a USA state? I havn’t checked but if so, who on earth was responsible? If you want another one there is always zimbabwe or, any day now, kenya.

Posted by Yorkshireman at 9:37 AM on January 3


I hardly think the Wellington Police could compare to the Tonton Macute from the Leger Family’s Haitian homeland.

Posted by LastWMinNYC at 10:01 AM on January 3


Florida is another state on the road to ruin due to a massive influx of Haitians. There is also a huge Cuban population, most of which are law abiding. Both from poor backrounds. Anyone see a pattern here?

Posted by the way at 10:33 AM on January 3


Naaaah! Let them wear their clown suits. Let everyone see the as they really are. No sense trying to put lipstick on a pig. If they want to dress that way, LET THEM, and let everyone come to know who actually dresses in this manner. It makes it easier for ordinary people to identify them at a distance. Can’t you think of circumstances where this might save lives and property?

Posted by Don Reynolds at 12:20 PM on January 3


The Leger family will probaly go to their witch doctor and put a spell on the Florida police.

Posted by domin at 12:35 PM on January 3


“I’m certainly in agreement that these punks wear their pants too low (I was told this started in the blacks community because in prison they aren’t given belts).

BUT, you don’t need 20 cops and canine unit and a helicopter.”


I think you have been taken in by the blatant misinformation in this article.

Although I agree with you about over zealous cops (I have been a victim of them myself) This time they were right.

This is not - as this artical suggests - about descending with full force on a young man with the wrong pants. It is about someone tresspassing on private property, and when challenged by the custodians of said property (not to mention he had a trespass notice against him which he willfully disregarded) he had the audacity to chellenge them and brought mob handed back up.

Just to put it in perspective for you. You have kicked this guy out of your house one time for showing up uninvited at a party you were hosting, he then comes back, enters your home and refuses to leave. when you call police a half dozen of his relatives arrive and take over your house, they then challenge you and the police for the right to occupy your property.

You still think the maximum show of force is an over reaction? it’s the same thing.

Posted by at 3:34 PM on January 3


Frantz Ledger is a business major, eh? And I bet he’s an honors student too. He’ll go far if he shows up for job interviews with those saggy pants.
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No problem! He’ll get a job through affirmation action. If not, he can always sue for discrimination.

Posted by at 3:46 PM on January 3


Blacks have been in exclusive control of Haiti for more then 200 years. They are virtually the only people who live there so there is no one “oppressing” them with “racism”. And just look at Haiti. That tells you everything you need to know right there.

Posted by at 5:36 PM on January 3


I predict a popular new Taser video on Youtube, in the near future.

Posted by at 5:47 PM on January 3


Florida State Student ? That means he knows how to count up to ten without using his fingers. To Mr. Preston; The next time you get into real trouble, call a Jamaican with loose pants instead of the police.

Posted by N.J. Moe at 5:49 PM on January 3


“Florida is another state on the road to ruin due to a massive influx of Haitians. There is also a huge Cuban population, most of which are law abiding. Both from poor backrounds. Anyone see a pattern here?”


99% of Florida’s Cubans happen to be very White descendants of Galician Spaniards; the most Celtic-Iberian Spaniards of Spain.

Posted by Jason Björnsson at 11:43 AM on January 4


If I had a young son and he was walking around dressed like that I would be ashamed. The mall banned him because of his attire? Good for them. That’ll teach you. You go back on private property you are banned from? Arrest him officer. Teach him a lesson. Instead the family is fighting the cops. See the black mentality? The apple never falls very far from the tree.

Posted by at 2:35 PM on January 5


I have noticed black males like their pants so loose they are almost always on the verge of falling off, while black females wear their clothing so tight they are almost on the verge of busting out of them. There seems to be a great tendancy towards exhibitionism among them.

Posted by at 6:59 AM on January 7



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